Forum Oficjalnego Klubu Mitsubishi - MitsuManiaki

tomkar4 · Wysłany: 13-02-2010, 22:21 **TCL PROBLEM**

Witam. Mam problem z kontrolą trakcji, w momencie poślizgu kół świeci pomarańczowa lampka-auto z zygzaczkami i nie działa kontrola trakcji, po chwili zapala się TCL OFF. TCL wymruguje błąd 65.

swinks_UK · Wysłany: 14-02-2010, 13:05

Według kodu masz problem z tylnym prawym kołem. Czujnik abs w tym kole się uaktywnia. Więc:
- przetarty kabele do czujnika
- brudny czujnik
- uszkodzony mechanicznie czujnik
lub, koło się blokuje bo:
- łożysko ci sie zaciera
- tarcza krzywa i łapie klocki w zaciskach
- zacisk zapieczony i nie odbija
Tyle co mi przyszło do głowy. Może jeszcze ktoś coś podpowie.

tomkar4 · Wysłany: 15-02-2010, 20:39

Dziwne, bo kontrolka ABS nie wymruguje żadnych błędów.

swinks_UK · Wysłany: 15-02-2010, 21:35

Błędy abs-u wymryguje tcl.

Tu masz info:

ECU
11 Oxygen Sensor
12 Air Flow Sensor
13 Intake air temperature sensor
14 Throttle position sensor
15 ISC Motor Position Sensor
21 Engine coolant temperature sensor
22 Crank angle sensor
23 Camshaft position sensor
24 Vehicle speed sensor
25 BARO Sensor (listed as 26 in one info source)
31 Detonation sensor
32 Vacuum sensor
36 Ignition Timing Adjustment Signal
39 Oxygen Sensor
41 Injector system
42 Fuel Pump
43 EGR
44 Ignition coil and power transistor unit (Cylinder 1 & 4)
52 Ignition coil and power transistor unit (Cylinder 2 & 5)
53 Ignition coil and power transistor unit (Cylinder 3 & 6)
55 Idle Air Control Valve/Servo Valve Position Sensor
61 Communications wire with A/T-ECU
62 Intake air control valve position sensor
64 Alternator FR terminal
71 Vacuum control solenoid valve (TCL)
72 Ventilation control solenoid valve (TCL)

72 = Directional control valve (right) system (open- or short-circuit)
73 = Directional control valve (left) system (open- or short-circuit)
12 = Power supply voltage (valve power supply) system (open- or short-circuit)

82 = AYC fault code
83 = AYC fault code

ABS
12 - Air Flow Sensor
13 - Intake Air Temperature Sensor
14 - Throttle Position Sensor
15 - ISC Motor Position Sensor
21 - Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor

AYC
82 - AYC Pump

77 from a flashing TCL
71 flashed the engine

Found this apparently Mitsubishi ABS codes possible
Code No. Scan Tool Display Diagnosis item Description
19 Tone wheel Check the tone wheels Check for a defective tone wheel on a wheel
21 Sol.LF-open Left front solenoid Short circuit to +12 volt for LF- solenoid
22 Sol.LF-open Left front solenoid Open circuit or short circuit to GND for LF
23 Sol.RF-SHRT Right front solenoid Short circuit to +12 volt for the RF- solenoid
24 Sol.RF-OPEN Right front solenoid Open circuit or short circuit to GND for the RF- solenoid
25 Sol.LR-SHRT Left rear solenoid Short circuit to +.y2volt for the LF- solenoid
26 Sol.LR-OPEN Left rear solenoid ....to GND...
27 Sol.RR-SHRT Right rear solenoid ....to +12 volt...
28 Sol.RR-OPEN Right rear solenoid ....to GND...
31 Snsr.lf- gap Left front sensor Detection for the air gap of the tone wheel. This detection will be activated if all wheel speeds are zero and the ABS-function is not active
32 Snsr.rf- gap Right front sensor ...
33 Snsr.lr- gap Left rear sensor ...
34 Snsr.rr- gap Right rear sensor ...
35 Motor pump Motor pump Faulty or seized up motor pump
36 MP Rly-open Motor relay circuit Open circuit or a short circuit to GND from the motor pump relay
37 MP Rly-shrt Motor relay circuit Short circuit to +12 volt from the motor pump relay
38 MP Batt-shrt Pump motor Short circuit at the motor pump
39 MP Gnd-shrt Pump motor Short circuit to GND at the motor pump
41 FAIL Rly-shrt File safe relay Fail safe relay contacts are short circuit
42 FAIL Rly-open ... ...
43 FAIL COIL Fail safe relay coil The current from the fail safe relay is too high or too low
44 ABS Sri-gnd Service reminder indicator Short circuit of the Service Reminder Indicator (permanently on)
45 ABS Sri- diode ... to.diode Open circuit of the diode for the service reminder indicator ABS
54 ABS Sri- Butt ... Short circuit to +.y2V of the service reminder indicator
55 ABS Sri-open ... Open circuit of the service reminder indicator
56 Batt.volt- Law Battery voltage Battery voltage out of the function range (Under voltage) for the system
57 Batt.volt-hi ... ... (.Over voltage)
62 Snsr.lf-open Left front sensor circuit Sensor open circuit or short to 12 volt detection for the LF-wheel
63 Snsr.rf-open Right front sensor circuit Sensor open circuit or short to 12 volt detection for the RF-wheel
64 Snsr.lr-open Left rear sensor circuit Sensor open circuit or short to 12 volt detection for the Lr -wheel
65 Snsr.rr-open Right rear sensor circuit Sensor open circuit or short to 12 volt detection for the RR-wheel
66 Snsr.lf-shrt Left front sensor circuit Sensor short to GND detection for the LF-wheel
67 Snsr.rf-shrt Right front sensor circuit Sensor short to GND detection for the RF-wheel
68 Snsr.lr-shrt Left rear sensor circuit ....LR-shyueyel
69 Snsr.rr-shrt Right rear sensor circuit Sensor short to GND detection for the RR-wheel
71 Snsr.lf-s.jmp Left front tone wheel Detection for missing teeth on the tone wheel or speed jumps over-100g on the LF-wheel
72 Snsr.rf-s.jmp Right... ....on the right...
73 Snsr.lr-s.jmp Left rear tone wheel ....on the Lr -wheel
74 Snsr.rr-s.jmp Right rear tone wheel ....on the RR-wheel
77 Abscm-fail ABS cylinder master ERROR Detection of a abs cylinder master (ABS Control module) error

TCL vac/vent 501 & 71 TCL vac .SV abs.

On an automatic VR-G, fault code 33 relates to the gearbox shifter solenoids

26: BARO sensor

15 ISC Motor Position Sensor

71 : vacuum valve solenoid. ECU error code

PLPynton · Wysłany: 16-02-2010, 09:51

65 blad to u ciebie aktuator lub czujnik polozenia przepustnicy (ten od TCL bo w przedliftach byly zazwyczaj 2 ze wzg na TCL wlasnie), mozna zmierzyc, tak samo jak w manualu od galanta (gdzies w dziale download jest) i pasuje tez standartowy od galanta (ale koniecznie takiego z tcl chyba ze chcesz przerobic wtyczke na lustrzane odbicie wtedy mozesz uzyc tego od galanta bez TCL). po zmianie czujnika trzeba go ustawic, po zmianie aktuatora nic nie trzeba robic. moze tez walic sie sterowanie podcisnieniem takze skontroluj wezyki itp

swinks_UK · Wysłany: 16-02-2010, 12:49

Robert, weź uzupełnij listę błędów proszę.
Jak widzisz możliwe, że źle podałem jako błąd abs.
Jeśli jest jak pisze Robert, to może być dość powszechna usterka w postaci pękniecia zbiorniczka od podciśnień (masz na grodzi taki plastikowy wielkości szklanki).

PLPynton · Wysłany: 17-02-2010, 08:19

o czyli jesli to taka przypadlosc czesta to pasuje jak nic

mam taka liste pod reka bo normalnie to tlumacze sobie manuala japonskiego np google language tools, krotkie teksty daje rade zrozumiec

Ponizsze wyrypalem z oz, generalnie zgadza sie tlumaczenie troche kulawe ale akurat jade zaraz w trasem jak wroce to siade i zrobie finalna liste.

ECU silnika
12 Air Flow Sensor System
13 Inlet temperature Sensor System
14 Throttle Position Sensor System
21 Temperature Sensor System
22 Crank Angle Sensor System
23 TDC sensor <SOHC> or Systematic Camshaft Sensor <DOHC> System Tong
24 Speed Sensor System
25 Atmospheric Pressure Sensor System <T / C>
31 Knock Sensor System
41 Injectors System
44 Ignition Coil, Systematic Power Transistor Unit
-- (No.1 - No.4-cylinder) <DOHC>
52 Ignition Coil, Systematic Power Transistor Unit
-- (No.2 - No.5-cylinder) <DOHC>
53 Ignition Coil, Systematic Power Transistor Unit
-- (No.3 - No.6-cylinder) <DOHC>
61 A / T-ECU And Communication Lines (Torque Reduction Request Signal Line) System
64 FR Alternator System Terminal
71 Vacuum Control Solenoid Valve System <T / C-A / T>
72 Ventilation Control Solenoid Valve System <T / C-A / T>
1A No.1 cylinder accidental fire detection
1B No.2 cylinder accidental fire detection
1C No.3 cylinder accidental fire detection
1D No.4 cylinder accidental fire detection
1E No.5 cylinder accidental fire detection
1F No.6 cylinder accidental fire detection
2C Multicylinder accidental fire detection

ECU skrzyni
11 Non TCL Car – Throttle Position Sensor System - Short circuit
-- TCL Car – Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor System - Short circuit
12 Non TCL Car - Throttle Position Sensor System - Disconnection
-- TCL Car - Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor System - Disconnection
14 Non TCL Car - Throttle Position Sensor System - Sensors misaligned
-- TCL Car - Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor System - Sensors misaligned
15 Oil Temperature Sensor System Disconnection
21 Crank Angle Sensor System Disconnection
22 Input Shaft Speed Sensor System Short-circuit / disconnection
23 The Output Shaft Speed Sensor System Short-circuit / disconnection
26 Stop Lamp Switch system Short-circuit
31 LR Solenoid System Short-circuit / disconnection
32 UD Solenoid System Short-circuit / disconnection
33 2ND Solenoid System Short-circuit / disconnection
34 OD Solenoid System Short-circuit / disconnection
35 RED solenoid system <5 A / T> Short-circuit / disconnection
36 DCC System Solenoid Short-circuit / disconnection
41 Complete Without a fast speed change
42 2-speed variable speed without having completed
43 3 speed complete control of transmission
44 complete 4-speed variable speed
45 complete a 5-speed variable speed <5 A / T>
46 variable speed complete retreat
51 Non TCL Car - Abnormal communication with the engine ECU
-- TCL Car - ASC-ECU abnormal communication
52 DCC solenoid system – Bad System
54 A / T control relay system - Earth short-circuit / disconnection
56 N range lamp system - Earth short-circuit
71 A / T-ECU abnormality

ECU ABS - tu dochadza jeszcze kody zwiazane z oboma akcelerometrami w type S i jednym w type V (polifty), nie ma ich w moim manualu do vr4 nie wiem dlaczego ale pewnie ze wzgledu na to ze to manual do przedliftow a nie mam appendixa. w kazdym razie kody open circuit ect sa monitowane dla kazdego akcelerometru, przynajmniej w poliftach
11 Wheel-Speed Sensor (FR) System (Short or Break)
12 Wheel-Speed Sensor (FL) System (Short or Break)
13 Wheel-Speed Sensor (RR) System (Short or Break)
14 Wheel-Speed Sensor (RL) System (Short or Break)
15 Wheel-Speed Sensor System (Abnormal Signal Output)
16 ABS-ECU Power System (Voltage Abnormal Rise Or Decline)
21 Wheel-Speed Sensor (FR) System
22 Wheel-Speed Sensor (FL) System
23 Wheel-Speed Sensor (RR) System
24 Wheel-Speed Sensor (RL) System
27 2WD/4WD Systematic Detection Switch
33 SUTOP PURANPU SUITCHI system (ON disconnection or failure)
41 Solenoid (FR) System
42 Solenoid (FL) System
43 Solenoid (RR) System
44 solenoid (RL) System
**Note: 41 -42 **
**Each item in the corresponding solenoid DOBARUBU drive signal
**if there is no response or an ABS-ECU power system failure
51 Valve Failure Relay ON
52 OFF relay valve failure or power system failure ABS-ECU
53 OFF Motor ABS - ECU failure or power system failure
54 ON failure MOTARIRE
55 Motor System (Pump Motor Sticking), Or Abs-Ecu Power System Failure
63 ABS-ECU system

ASC ECU
11 FR wheel speed sensor (Short or Break)
12 FL wheel speed sensor (Short or Break)
13 RR wheel speed sensor (Short or Break)
14 RL wheel speed sensor (Short or Break)
15 wheel-speed sensor system (abnormal signal output)
16 ECU supply voltage abnormality
17 TCL Group 13 H-switch system troubleshooting
21 FR wheel speed sensor system
22 FL wheel speed sensor system
23 RR wheel speed sensor system
24 RL wheel speed sensor system
25 Rear wheel speed sensor system (Simultaneous left and right rear wheel speed sensor burnout)
26 Rear wheel speed sensor system (Both of the rear wheel speed sensor failure)
27 Around the wheel speed sensor system (Both before and after the wheel speed sensor failure)
31 Ignition Switch (IG2) system
32 G-sensor system around
33 Stop Lamp Switch System (ON disconnection or failure)
35 Steering Sensor (ST-1, 2, N) line
36 Steering Sensor (ST-N)
37 Steering Sensor (ST-1, 2) systematic
41 FR Systematic Solenoid
42 FL solenoid system
43 RR solenoid system
44 RL solenoid system
45 FR diagonal cut valve system
46 FL diagonal cut valve system
47 FR Masu Sumi-to-pressure valve system
48 FL-pressure valve system
49 Accumulator valve diagonal line
51 Valve relay system (ON failure)
52 Valve system relay (OFF failure)
53 Motor system (OFF failure)
54 Motor system (ON failure)
55 Motor system (pump motor sticking)
61 A/T-ECU Group and the communications system
63 ECU fail
65 APS system, or TPS
66 TPS or APS system
67 APS system
71 G-sensor system
72 Yaw Rate Sensor System (Disconnection or short)
73 Master Cylinder Pressure Sensor System
74 Yaw Rate G-sensor system
75 Engine ECU
76 Engines and Communications System
77 TCL vacuum or Ventilation Solenoid Valve system
78 Pressure Accumulator Sensor System
81 brake fluid low

AYC ECU
12 voltage power supply (supply valve) system (short or break)
21 FR wheel speed sensor system (short or break)
22 FL wheel speed sensor system (short or break)
23 RR wheel speed sensor system (short or break)
24 RL wheel speed sensor system (short or break)
25 Different Diameter Tires
26 wheel-speed sensor trouble
31 Steer Sensor (ST-1, ST-2, ST-N) System (break)
32 Steer Sensor (ST-N) system (short)
33 Steer Sensor (ST-N) system
34 Steer Sensor (ST-1, ST-2) system (short)
41 TPS system (short or break)
51 before and after the G-sensor system (short or break)
52 G Sensors Around
56 Next G-sensor System (short or break)
61 Stop Position Switch System (break)
65 ABS monitor system (ABS malfunction or break)
71 Proportional Valve System (short or break)
72 Direction Valve (right) System (short or break)
73 Direction Valve (left) System (short or break)
81 Electric Pump Relay System (short or break)
82 Electric Pump Failure
83 Electric Pump Failure

TCL ECU
11 FR wheel speed sensors (or a short break)
12 FL wheel speed sensors (or a short break)
13 RR wheel speed sensors (or a short break)
14 RL wheel speed sensors (or a short break)
15 Wheel speed sensor system (output signal abnormalities
16 Power supply voltage abnormality of the ECU
17 TCL switch circuit system
21 FR wheel speed sensor system
22 FL wheel speed sensor system
23 RR wheel-speed sensor system
24 RL wheel speed sensor system
25 Rear wheel speed sensor system (left and right rear wheel speed sensors simultaneous disconnection)
26 Rear wheel speed sensor systems (both of the rear wheel speed sensor failure)
27 Around the wheel speed sensor systems (both before and after the wheel speed sensor failure)
31 Ignition Switch (IG2) strains
32 Circuits around the G sensor system
33 Stop lamp switch strains (ON injury or burnout)
35 Steering sensor (ST-1, 2, N) system
36 Steering sensor (ST-N) strains
37 Steering sensor (ST-1, 2) system
41 FR solenoid valve system
42 FL solenoid valve system
43 RR solenoid valve system
44 RL solenoid valve system
45 FR Cut valve diagonal strains
46 FL Cut valve diagonal strains
47 FR Masu Sumi-pressure valve system
48 FL Masu Sumi-pressure valve system
49 Pressure valve (FL-FR) system
51-Valve relay system (ON failure)
52-Valve relay system (OFF order)
53 Motor relay strains (OFF order)
54 Motor Relay system (ON failure)
55 Motor system (pumps, motors sticking)
61 A / T-ECU and the communication system
63 ECU fail
65 APS system, or TPS
66 APS or TPS system
67 APS system
71 system next sensor circuit G
72 Yaw late sensor circuit system (or a short break)
73 circuit master cylinder pressure sensor system
74 Yaw late sensor or G sensor system
75 Engine ECU strains
76 Systematic communication with the engine ECU
77 TCL vacuum system or ventilation solenoid
78 Accumulator pressure sensor circuit system
81 Shortage of brake fluid

swinks_UK · Wysłany: 17-02-2010, 10:51

Robert,

tomkar4 · Wysłany: 17-02-2010, 18:06

Zbiorniczek od podciśnień cały i szczelny, podciśnienia sprawdzone ok., gdy omine elektrozaworek i podłącze bezpośrednio do aktuatora to podciśnienie zamyka przepustnice. Spróbuje regulować TPS , tylko który- jest 2 tak jak pisze Robert, jeden od grodzi blisko aktuatora-w tym 4 kabelki, drugi po przeciwniej stronie- 3 kabelki. W manualu nie moge odszukać instrukcji ustawiania.

marexi · Wysłany: 31-03-2010, 18:01

Dzis zaswiecil mi sie TCL OFF i kontrolka silnika i po chwili TCL OFF. zatrzymalem auto, otworzylem maske czy jakis wyciek cos bo nie wiedzialem o co chodzi i odpialilem i przestalo. Bledy wymrugam wieczorem bo zostawilem autko na wymiane plynow w dyfrach. Czy wie ktos co to moze byc?
BTW 1 i 4 pin spiac?

swinks_UK · Wysłany: 31-03-2010, 19:29

Tak, piny spiąć.
A było ślisko jak ci TCL wyskoczył?
Ja tak miałem 2 razy jak dotąd, raz na śliskiej nawierzchni na łuku drogi jak hamowałem silnikiem (z górki było), drugim razem w upał na autostradzie. Po drugim razie zacząłem winić umierający klocek/łożysko w tylnym kole, bo od czasu do czasu metalicznie popiskuje na łuku(dlatego raczej wykluczam łożysko, bo raczej by huczało). Pewnie prowadnice się zapiekły i nierówno odbiją. Póki co mam spokój, zero błędów. A dokładnie sprawdzę tylne koła jak będę w lecie w PL.

marexi · Wysłany: 01-04-2010, 01:02

NO akurat dzis caly dzien padalo i troche powchodzilem w zakrety i troche tylem zarzucilo i wlasnie wtedy sie zaswiecilo, potem autko zostawilem na wymiane plynow i niestety jak odebralem od mechanika, to mowil ze sie przejechal i jak zagrzal sie silnik to wlasnie tcl sie zaswiecilo i kontrolka silnika i ze mu sie caly czas palilo jak sie silnik zagrzal, ja odebralem godzinke temu, byl spokoj ale po 10 minutach znowu sie zaswiecila kontolka silnika i tcl dojechalem powoli do domu i cholender nie wiem co zrobic a nie wymrygalem bo nie mam nic w domu czym bym mogl a u mechanika po prostu zapomnialem. Jutro misiek bedzie wymrugany wiec mam nadzieje ze bedzie to tylko blahostka.
eh spot sie zbliza a misiek nie chce chyba na niego jechac, ostatnio szyby mi nie dzialaly a dzis sie chyba obrazil bo go lekko przetarlem o brame tylnym blotnikiem ale po polerce na szczescie zeszlo zarysowianie...

Bartek · Wysłany: 01-04-2010, 07:41

marexi, do wymrygania bardzo dobry jest spinacz biurowy

spown · Wysłany: 01-04-2010, 10:14

Nie wiem czy nie palnę jakiejś głupoty, ale mi kiedyś po kupnie zwykłego EA5A przy ostrym przyspieszaniu też zaczynał mrugać TCL OFF - pomogło wyczyszczenie przepustnicy.

swinks_UK · Wysłany: 01-04-2010, 12:34

spown, nie palnąłeś głupoty :wink:

Rzeczywiście, kontrolki tcl i check engine razem palą się przy problemach w dolocie (żle działający tps, brudna przepustnica, uszkodzony maf).

Marek, może masz przetarte kable do MAFu i z wilgoci zrobiło zwarcie. Skoro ci się świeci uparcie to pewnie masz błędy więc wymruganie ich coś pomoże.